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From the Organizing Committee 11-16-07:
Yes, the Poker Dealers have been "excluded" from the
Table Games Dealers vote for Union representation. Do not despair though, you
can all still organize! The TWU will represent all of you! Keep sending in your
cards ASAP. You can still get cards from this website or you can contact a IHO
at work and get cards from them.
There were several reasons why the Poker Dealers were
"excluded" from the vote.
Although the TWU has received a great many A-Cards from Poker
Dealers, the numbers were still a bit short of what they normally require to
petition. The TWU normally wants 65-70% of any work force to submit cards to
ensure the best possible chance of winning the election. Although we will not
reveal how many Poker Dealers have sent in cards already, there is a very
strong showing. Those who have NOT sent in their cards yet, get them in ASAP.
Once the TWU receives the number of cards they need, they will petition the
NLRB on your behalf to also have an election for Union representation.
Also, the Poker Dealers have very different issues in regards
to your jobs. For example, the Poker Dealers are TFT, while the Table Games
Dealers "pool" their tokes.
If CP would have insisted we include the Poker Dealers in our
vote, we would have. But they did not want you all voting with us. Why not?
The TWU would like to have several Poker Dealers get in
contact with them and meet ASAP. Please, get involved.
Please, make sure you print a TWU
Authorization Card fill it out and mail it in today. Tell your
friends about this site! Print extra copies for them!
From a CP Poker Room Manager 11-15-07:
I am a management person and I have to tell you straight up,
the people who complain about the poker room are some of the most misinformed
knuckleheads I have ever seen. I wonder if you will have the guts to post this
"comment." While we have removed named drinks from the room, what is
it to you, the dealer? Because you have to listen to a few complaints? No matter
what you do, or where you go, people will complain about something. Just as you
dealers complain about tokes and sharing with the tournament staff. If you had
to get a real job, where you have to think clearly and quickly, most of you
would fail miserably. I watch you all on a daily basis and believe me, you are
not all that. Get a grip on reality before you worry about your down average. We
are building something good. Get on the train now as we move onward and upward.
Most of you complainers only see the world inside a vacuum that is small and
without hope. See the big picture and enjoy the journey.
RESPONSE:
Guts to post this? FYI, there have only been two Feedbacks (of
well over 200) we have not posted since the inception of this website. The
only reason we did not post them was due to the vulgarity and name-calling in
the posts (not directed at us, but management). As we have said before, want
us to post? Send us a Feedback and it will get posted (with a very few
exceptions). We would say that it takes "guts" on your part to send
in a Feedback such as yours. Yes, you did provide us with your name and
contact info, but we will not divulge it to the world, but instead we will
respond and let our Readers respond if they want.
This is what management thinks of you all, "I am a
management person...the people who complain about the poker room are some of
the most misinformed knuckleheads I have ever seen." It is so nice to
be respected by management.
The manager writes, "While we have removed named
drinks from the room, what is it to you, the dealer? Because you have to
listen to a few complaints?" Spilled drinks maybe? Personal verbal
abuse maybe? Physical threats maybe? Slow games maybe? Maybe the Dealers have
pride in their workplace and the "drunks" who get belligerent in CP
bring down our reputation of being a "class act"? What a stupid
question.
The manager writes, "Just as you dealers complain
about tokes and sharing with the tournament staff." Because they are
Dealers they should have no voice over their income/tips? Typical
"control" persona.
The manager writes, "If you had to get a real job,
where you have to think clearly and quickly, most of you would fail miserably"
This is a great attitude to have with your co-workers. Just because you wear a
suit do you think you are superior? How many suits do we have in our closets?
You think that Dealing is not a "real job"? What is yours? Is yours
"real"?
The manager writes, "Get a grip on reality before you
worry about your down average." Reality is bills, mortgages, health
insurance, income, job security and toke security. Who needs a
"grip"? Reality is the Poker Dealers were/are being stolen from.
That's "reality". We think they are beginning to grasp that rather
well.
The manager writes, "Most of you complainers only see
the world inside a vacuum that is small and without hope." Well, are
"you" not "complaining" here? Sounds like you are.
Bottom line is this, we all have a "real job" to do.
Most at CP do it very well. For those who don't, who hired them? Managers?
What does that say about management then? That they are not
"qualified" to recognize the difference between "quality"
Dealers and those who don't make the grade. They were not hired by themselves.
If management really wants a piece of the Dealers tokes, then
maybe they should deal. If you want to wear a suit, then accept what a suit
gets paid and quit complaining.
Maybe if managers like you would start respecting the Dealers
a little bit more, the working relationship could improve. But until you stop
calling Dealers names such as "knuckleheads", you are very far away
from what it takes to be in management. You are a disrespectful disgrace to
the fabulous Caesars Palace. How did you ever get the job?
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From a Anonymous 11-15-07:
There's quite a bit of discussion about the current state of
the Caesars Palace poker room here.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=cardroom&Number=12821671&page=0&fpart=all
RESPONSE:
Thanks for the link!
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From a Poker Dealer 11-14-07:
Okay, i asked before and no answer, so i asked again. If we
go union and as a poker dealer, can my tokes be forced to pooling like other
dealers???? there are many more dealers than poker dealers and if it is agreed
by negotiations and voted in, does that mean i don't have any say on it????
please answer me this time. thank you.
RESPONSE:
We apologize if your last feedback slipped through the cracks
somehow.
As of right now they can force you to pool your tips WITHOUT a
Union. They can do anything they want, with the handling of your tournament
tokes being a prime example. The way the table game Dealer's tokes are pooled
is not now done by our choosing. Our pool was forced onto us by management.
We are not entirely certain who will be included in the
"voting unit" under the current petition filed by the TWU on behalf
of the table game Dealers, as of yet. We have explained this process several
times, and time is short at the moment (we have to get to work too).
Let's look at it like this, let's say the original petition
stands and does NOT include the Poker Dealers. The Poker Dealers can STILL
have the TWU file a petition on their own behalf for a vote for the Union,
just as the table game Dealers have done. As soon as the petition is filed,
everything stays "status quo". That means the way you do your tokes
at that time will be locked in until contract negotiations. THEN the way tokes
will be pooled or not will be negotiated in negotiations.
The table game Dealers probably do NOT want to add more
Dealers to their toke pool, just as Poker Dealers do NOT want to pool their
tokes. IF both are to be covered by one contract, there would more than likely
be different areas of the contract covering the different work forces. Poker
Dealers would no doubt have their own "clauses". If the Poker
Dealers are NOT included in the table games Dealers vote, then the subject is
moot because the Poker Dealers will have their own petition and will be
negotiating their own contract.
Until we get the time/date/who/place stipulated for the vote
for the current petition on file, this is the best answer we can provide.
Hopefully, the vote will be stipulated by the end of this week and more
information will then be available.
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FROM THE WEBMASTER:
Evidently there is trouble brewing in
the poker room. We received a Feedback which we will not allow on this website
because mainly the name calling and profanities it was loaded with. Even the
edited version cut it down to basically a few words. They wrote about their
income as well, for us to post on the internet, and then tried blaming someone
else.
The names this person named in their
post was way off base.
We are of the opinion that management
gets paid a higher wage/salary to do the required paperwork and additional
work required to run things such as tournaments. We do not believe that ANY
person in a management position in ANY job has any right to the tips earned by
a Dealer. Do the Pit Managers in the casino get a piece of our tips when we
have Black Jack Tournaments? NO WAY!
Poker Dealers, there is a way to
protect your way of life. Management chose their jobs, just as you chose
yours. You can protect yours NOW!
There are Union In-House Organizers
at Caesars Palace right now. Find out who they are and speak with them ASAP.
Get your cards signed and in. Protect your future!
Dealers and Managers alike, you would
be wise to read the Federal Laws regarding organizing. People are watching and
listening, violations WILL be reported!
>>> CLICK
HERE <<< to read the Federal Laws
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From a Poker Dealer 10-28-07:
I'm a poker dealer and have a few comments about our current
situation.
First, we just had our first Caesar's Classic Poker
Tournament and just like the WSOP, the Floor men are awarded 30% of our tips for
their "HARD WORK". Now, I'm not sure if this is already the same as
what happened at The Wynn, but it appears to me that it is.
Second, the current Manager, who has NO poker experience (and
believe me, it shows) put in affect a new Variance policy for our chip banks.
This policy is a joke. It allows for dealers to be given points based on the
amount of the overage/shortage in any given chip bank. These points do not reset
until that dealer has gone 90 days without an infraction. So, unless you're
superhuman and don't make mistakes, it's inevitable that you will be fired. I
have asked dozens of dealers and of those only one has gone more than 90 days
without an infraction. If this continues, all of the current dealers will at
some time be fired.
There is double standards everywhere in the room. Certain
dealers, who are liked, have their Variances "Overlooked" by the
floor-persons awhile others are punished to the full extent of the policy.
Lastly, our current manager, in a vain attempt to impress his
superiors has discontinued CALL liquor to our guests. Our guests are only
allowed to order well drinks for playing at Caesars' Palace, while they can go
to the poker room at the Orleans, or any other place for that matter, and get
what they want. I know at least a dozen players who simply won't play at Caesars
any longer due to this change. This guy is hated by all, but no one will say
anything because those who speak their mind have either gotten fired or written
up. His nick name is Little Hitler. He has been patted on the back for
"turning the Room around and making...???
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RESPONSE:
Your Feedback was cut off for some reason, sorry. If you would
like to finish it, please submit the remainder and we will post it.
Sounds like things are kind of "ugly" in the Poker
Room. Poker Dealers should also send in A-Cards ASAP before it gets worse. We
really can't comment on the "procedures" in your room, as we have very
little experience with poker rooms. If someone from Poker would like to step up
and help, that would be great!
Please, make sure you print a TWU
Authorization Card fill it out and mail it in today. Tell your
friends about this site! Print extra copies for them!
From a Poker Dealer 9-7-07:
Hello again TWU. I worked at the (edited), when I first met
with TWU members. I'd like to open up some dealers eyes for a second.
Hello fellow dealers. PLEASE READ!
I met TWU back in 2001, when I worked at the (edited) At the time they came in,
we were damn set on a union. I'd say, if they took a vote right then, we were
90-10 for a union. Remember, the (edited) is just one casino, not a huge
corporation like Harrah's. I was surprised that the (edited) brought in
union-busters. It was all new to me, so I was surprised. The very first thing
the busters did, was pick apart the TWU. They told us they were not affiliated
with dealers, and they had no clue about operations. Is this who we want
representing us. ARE YOUR EYES OPEN YET?
That answer is easily answered....
YES, they are exactly who we want behind us! You see, they are a UNION! We got
anyone else? NO!
I believe Harrah's is a great corporation. I also believe they are by far, the
WORST ran corporation. We aren't going to stop this train from running us over,
so we should think about wanting a union. TWU knew we were thinking that, so
here they are!
Now, at the (edited), they spent a ton of money for the busters to come in, and
pick apart why we don't want a union. These meetings are mandatory? Funny, a
mandatory meeting. Smells like fear to me. Trust me, there is nothing greater
than a casino or a corporation sweating because we finally realized we are quite
expendable. rules, rules, rules. Well you know something, I've been in the
business for decades, and guess what?....I GOT SOME RULES I'D LIKE TO MEMO THEM.
Harrah's goes through an enormous evaluation, to find out if I'm the right
person for the job they offer, when I get hired, it seems like they then do
everything they can to try and get rid of me! That's messed up!
I did not give the union-busters one bit of rest. I asked numerous questions,
challenged many slight miscues they said, and eventually, was dismissed from
ever having to go to another meeting. I noticed, when I asked a question, all my
fellow dealers were like, yeah, what about that. Harrah's is a huge brand, as
they like to say it. I'm sure if a corporate bigwig uses a different term than
brand, he gets a warning slip, or even my favorite, a written verbal warning.
Only way to fight then, is with a Union. and TWU is just that. I'd gladly pay
anyone to represent me, a highly experienced dealer, as well as one who gives
great customer service, to cover my butt when I go up against a huge
corporation! I tried with them before, I will definitely try with them again.
When the busters got finished at the (edited), and the vote came down, it was
87-13 against the union!!!!
So I say this, don't fear, keep low profile, and think about your future. They
could release any of us anytime they want. All they have to do is paper trail
us, and done! to me, THAT'S THE REAL FEAR.
We are all front line employees, and they depend on us to treat their customers,
who by the way, are really just degenerate gamblers with a lot of money, who don't
have a gambling problem?...and pay us the same, as a convenience store cashier!
I remember hearing Bill Gates, gave over 100 employees a million dollar bonus!
Harrah's talks about record quarters all the time, and you know what? I want
more than a taxed $200 bonus each quarter.
So lets all just stand together, and give this massive corporation what they
have been pushing us to give them! A HUGE FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS. We have all
earned it!!
JUST VOTE YES! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. and we really need to.
RESPONSE:
Thanks for the Feedback and your support! We would like to
quote a U.S. President when he said, "All we have to fear is fear
itself". Do you all understand what that means? We think you do.
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From Nevada State Assemblyman Bob Beers 9-4-07:
I applaud your efforts. If the owners and boards of companies
treated their employees with the same concern they gave themselves no unions
would be needed. Sadly, this is very seldom the case. I brought forth Assembly
Bill 357 because one man thought his wealth placed him above the law. He thought
his power could prevent the formation of a union in his property. An
overwhelming vote of YES proved him wrong.
RESPONSE:
Dear Assemblyman Beers,
We too applaud your efforts in standing up for the tip-earners
of Nevada! Thank you for taking time from your busy schedule to visit our
website.
Note to the readers of this website: Assemblyman Beers will
stand up for the working men and women of this Great State. We hope all of you
will support his efforts as he supports ours. There are links to the Nevada
Legislature and to the Assembly roster on our Table of
Contents Page for those who would like to get a bit further into the
issues.
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From a Full-Time Poker Dealer 9-5-07:
In the poker room, we only split tournament tokes. The big
fear among the dealers is that if we unionize we'll have to split tokes from
cash games. We will be able to keep our own tokes from cash games? If not, will
all table games across the board be pooling tokes?
Love the site by the way. There's been a lot of rumbling across the Poker room
about unionizing for the past year. Glad to see some movement starting.
RESPONSE:
We are glad you like the site!
Okay, you have stated, "The big fear among the dealers
is that if we unionize we'll have to split tokes from cash games."
So tell us, what is to prevent management from tomorrow telling
all of the Poker Dealers, "From here on out, starting today, all tips in
the poker room will be pooled."? Do the Poker Dealers have a contract that
prohibits management from interfering with the collection and distribution of
the tokes which we are not aware of? No? Didn't think so.
With that in mind, this is exactly WHY you need a Union.
Management has already told the "Pit Dealers" what they can and can
not do with their tokes. Management has already said point blank to our
Dealer's Committee "You will pay who we tell you to pay, how much we tell
you to pay them and when we tell you to pay them". What is stopping
them in the Poker Room? It surely is not the Dealers as individuals.
One of the main points of the Union is to STOP management from
telling us what to do with our tokes.
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